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The mental organ and the four sensations are good, bad, or neutral. llf. The others, of one type.
The organ of sight, etc. , the vital organ, and the sexual organs are neutral.
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Among the twenty-two indriyas, how many belong to each of the three spheres of existence?
12. The pure indriyas are absent from Kamadhatu;
1. All of the indriyas are in the sphere of Kamadhatu, with the exception of the last three, the immaculate or pure indriyas: these are not connected with the spheres of existence, rather, they transcend the spheres of existence. Thus nineteen indriyas, excluding the last three, are in the sphere of Kamadhatu.
12b-c. The sexual organs and the two disagreeable sensations are absent from Rupadhatu.
2. Excluding furthermore the two sexual organs and the two disagreeable sensations, the sensation of suffering and dissatisfaction, there are fifteen indriyas remaining in Rupadhatu that are common to the first two spheres of existence (viii. l2a-b).
? (a) The sexual organs are absent from Rupadhatu 1. ) because the beings who are born in this sphere have abandoned the desire for sexual union, and 2. ) because these organs are ugly (i. 30b-d).
Nevertheless the Sutra says: "That a female being is Brahma-- such does not happen, that is impossible. That a male being is
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Brahma--such happens, that is possible/' would pose difficulties.
It appears that this Sutra
No. Beings of Rupadhatu are males without possessing the male organ. They possess the other aspects of masculinity that one sees among the males of Kamadhatu, namely bodily form, sound of the voice, etc. (ii. 2c-d).
(b). The sensation of suffering (duhkha, physical suffering) is absent from Rupadhatu (1) because of the "fluidity" or transparency of the body, from whence there is absence of pain produced by hurt; and (2) because of the absence of bad actions liable to retribution, from whence the absence of suffering "arisen from retribution. "
(c). The sensation of dissatisfaction is absent (1) because beings in Rupadhatu are penetrated by calm; and (2) because all causes of
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12d. And all the material organs and the two agreeable sensations are absent from Arupyadhatu.
3. Excluding furthermore the material organs (eyes, etc, vii. 3c), and the sensations of pleasure and satisfaction, there remains in Arupya- dhatu the mental organ, the vital organ, the sensation of equanimity, and faith and its following (i. 31).
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Among the twenty-two indriyas, how many are abandoned through Seeing the Truths? How many through Meditation? How many are not abandoned?
13a. The mental organ and three sensations belong to three
irritation are absent.
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1. The mental organ, the sensations of pleasure, satisfaction and equanimity, are of three types.
13b. Dissatisfaction is abandoned (through Seeing and Meditation);
2. Dissatisfaction is abandoned through Seeing and through Meditation, for, never being pure, it is always an object of abandoning.
13c. Nine are abandoned through Meditation alone;
3. Nine indriyas, namely the five sense organs and the two sexual organs, the vital organ, and the sensation of dissatisfaction, are only of the class "abandoned through Mediation," for (1) the first eight are not soiled; (2) the ninth does not arise from the mind (asasthaja, 1. 40); and (3) all are always impure.
13d. Five are either abandoned through Meditation or are not abandoned;
4. The five indriyas, the first of which is faith, (1) are not soiled, and hence are not abandoned through Seeing; (2) being able to be pure, they are able to be "not the object of abandoning. "
13e. Three are not abandoned.
5. The last three {anajntamajndsyarnmdriya etc. ) are not aban- doned, (1) because they are pure, and (2) dharmas without defeas are not to be rejected.
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How many indriyas, having retribution for their nature, do beings in the different spheres of existence possess from their origins?
14a. In the Kamas, beings possess from their origins two 73
indriyas that are from retribution, The organ of touch and the vital organ.
14b. With the exception of apparitional beings.
? 1. In Kamadhatu, beings that are born from a womb, from eggs, and from perspiration (iii. 8) possess from their origin, i. e. , from their conception, two indriyas which are from retribution, namely the organ of touch and the vital organ. It is only gradually that the other indriyas appear among them.
Why is not the mental organ and the sensation of equanimity counted herein?
Because, at conception, both of these are always soiled; hence they are not from retribution, they are not retribution (iii. 38).
How many do apparitional beings possess? 14c. Some possess six;
2. (Apparitional beings, iii. 9, possess six, seven or eight indriyas,) Beings without sex, namely beings at the beginning of the cosmic age (iii. 98), possess six: the five organs of sense consciousness, plus the vital organ.
14d. Or seven.
Beings with sex possess seven indriyas, like the gods.
14e. Or eight
Bisexual beings possess eight indriyas. But can apparitional beings be bisexual? Yes, in bad rebirths.
I4f. In Rupadhatu, six;
Kamadhatu is called "the Kamas," because of the primary role that
belongs, in this sphere, to the kdmagunas or objects of desire
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of the rupas. The Sutra employs this manner of speaking: "These 75
calm deliverances, beyond the rupas . . . "
3. In Rupadhatu, beings, from their origins, possess six indriyas
which are from retribution, like apparitional beings without sex in Kamadhatu.
14d. Above, one.
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4. "Above" means in Arupyadhatu. This sphere of existence is not situated above Rupadhatu (iii. 3); but it is said to be above it because it is superior to Rupadhatu from the point of view of absorption: the absorptions of Arupyadhatu are cultivated after those of Rupadhatu; and because it outweights it from the point of view of its mode of existence, from the point of view of the duration of its existence.
In this sphere of existence, beings initially possess one indriya which is of retribution, the vital organ.
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We have explained how many indriyas, of the nature of retribution, are obtained at conception. Now how many indriyas perish at death?
15a. In Arupyadhatu, dying destroys the vital organ, the mental organ, and the sensation of indifference; in Rupadhatu, it destroys eight indriyas',
In Rupadhatu one must add the five organs of sense consciousness, the organ of sight, etc. In fact, apparitionai beings are born and die with all their organs.
15b. In Kamadhatu, ten, nine, eight;
In Kamadhatu, death takes place either at one stroke or gradually. In the first case, eight, nine or ten indriyas die, accordingly as the being is without sex, with sex, or bisexual.
16a. Or four when death is gradual.
In the second case four indriyas die lastly and together; the organ of touch, the vital organ, the mental organ and the organ of indifference. These four indriyas die at the same time.
The preceding concerns the case where the mind of the dying person is soiled or not-soiled-neutral.
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If ones mind is good, one should, in the three spheres of existence,
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A being in Arupadhatu, at death, abandons at the last moment the three indriyas named in the Karika.
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In the Teaching of the Indriyas all of the characteristics of the
indriyas are examined, both their natures and their operations. We ask then how many indriyas come into play in the acquisition of the results of the religious life (sramanyaphala, vi. 52).
16c. One obtains the two highest results through nine indriyas\
The highest results are the results of Srotaapanna and Arhat, for these two results are the first and last. The intermediary fruits are found between the the first and the last.
1. The result of Srotaapanna (vi. 35c) is obtained through nine 79
indriyas'. the mental organ, equanimity, and the five moral faculties,
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faith, etc. ; anajndtamdjnasydmindriya and djnendriya (ii. l0a-b). Andjndtamdjndsyamtndriyaconstitutes dnantaryamarga(vi. 30c),
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and djna constitutes vimuktimdrga:* it is through these two indriyas
that one obtains the result of Srotaapanna, for the first encourages the
possession of disjunction from the defilements (visamyoga, ii. 55d 1, 82
vi. 52); the second supports and makes firm this possession.
2. The result of Arhat (vi. 45) is obtained through nine indriyas: the
mental organ, either satisfaction, pleasure or indifference, the five moral faculties, djnendriya and djndtavtndriya.
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constitutes vimuktimdrga.
I6d. The two intermediary results through seven, eight or nine.
3. The result of Sakrdagamin (vi. 36) is obtained either by an dnupurvaka (vi. 33a)--an ascetic who, before pursuing the acquisition of the result of Sakrdagamin, has obtained the result of Srotaapanna; or by a bhuyovttardga (vi. 29c-d)--an ascetic who, before entering into the pure path, i. e. , into the comprehension of the Truths, has freed
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himself through the impure, worldly path, from the first six categories of defilements of Kamadhatu: consequently, when he has achieved the Path of Seeing the Truths, he becomes a Sakrdagamin without having
84 been a Srotaapanna first.
The anupurvaka--aSrotaapanna--obtains the result of Sakrda- gamin either through a worldly path, which does not admit of Meditation on the Truths, or through the Pure Path. In the first case, he possesses seven indriyas: the mental organ, indifference, and the five moral faculties; in the second case, eight indriyas: the same plus ajnendriya.
The bhuyovitardga--who is a Prthagjana--obtains the result of Sakrdagamin by means of nine indriyas. He realizes the compre- hension of the Truths; he then realizes anajndtamdjndsydmindriya and ajnendriya, as in the acquisition of the result of Srotaapanna.
4. The result of Anagamin is obtained either by an anupurvaka-- the ascetic who has already obtained the previous results,--or by a vitaraga--the ascetic who, without having entered into the Pure Path, has freed himself from the nine categories of defilements of Kama- dhatu, or from the defilements of the higher stages, up to and including Akimcanyayatana.
The anupurvaka obtains the result of Anagamin through seven or eight indriyas, according to whether he uses the worldly path or the Pure Path, as the above anupurvaka obtains the result of Sakrdagamin.
The vitaraga obtains the result of Anagamin through the com- prehension of the truths, through nine indriyas, as the above bhuyovi- tardga obtains the result of Sakrdagamin.
These general definitions call for more precision.
1. The vitaraga obtains the result of Anagamin by "understanding the Truths. " In order to understand the Truths, he places himself either in an absorption of the Third Dhyana, an absorption of either the First or the Second Dhyana, an absorption of andgamya or dhydndntara, or of the Fourth Dhyana: according to the case, his indriya of sensation is the indriya of pleasure, satisfaction, or equanimity.
Contrarily, the bhuyovitardga always obtains the result of Sakrdagamin with the indriya of indifference.
? 2. The dnupurvaka who seeks for the result of Anagamin within the absorption of andgamya, can, when his moral faculties are strong, depart at the last moment (the ninth vimuktimdrga) of the andgamya and enter into the First or Second Dhyana.
When he expels the defilements through the worldly path, it is then through eight, and not seven indriyas, that he obtains the result: in fact, the andgamya to which the next to last moment (ninth dnantaryamdrga) belongs, admits of the sensation of equanimity, and the First or Second Dhyana, within which the last moment takes place, admits of the sensation of satisfaction. Disjunction from the defile- ments results then from equanimity and from satisfaction; in this same way we have seen that disjunction, in the case of the Srotaapanna, results from ajnasydmindriya and djnendriya.
When he expels the defilements through the pure path, that is,
through Meditation on the Truths, one must add the djnendriya as a
ninth indriya. Anantaryamdrga and vimuktimdrga are both two 5
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We read in the Mulasastra (Jitdnaprasthana, TD 26, p. 994cl): "Through how many indriyas is the quality of Arhat obtained? By eleven. "
In fact, the quality of Arhat is obtained, as we have said, through nine indriyas. The Sastra answers, "By eleven," for it does not speak with reference to the acquisition of the quality of Arhat, but with respect to the person who acquires this quality.
17a-b. It is said that the quality of Arhat is obtained through eleven indriyas, because a determined person can so obtain them.
A saint can fall many times from the quality of Arhat (vi. 58) and reobtain it by means of diverse absorptions, sometimes with the indriyas of pleasure (Third Dhyana), sometimes with that of satisfac- tion (First and Second Dhyana), or sometimes with that of equanimity
djnendriyas. *
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(anagamya, etc). But the three indriyas never coexist.
But, one would say, why does the Sutra not speak from this same
point of view when it speaks of the quality of Anagamin?
The case is different. It does not hold that the saint, fallen from the
result of Anagamin, gains it again by means of the indriya of
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pleasure.
all the defilements of Kamadhatu, and who has obtained the result of Anagamin cannot fall from this result, because his detachment is obtained through two paths: it is produced through the worldly path and confirmed through the Pure Path.
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How many indriyas does the person possess who possesses such indriyas}
17c-d. He who possesses the mental organ or the vital organ or the organ of equanimity necessarily possesses three indriyas.
He who possesses one of these three organs necessarily possesses the other two: when one of them is absent, the other two are also absent.
The possession of the other indriyas is not so determined. He who possesses these three organs may or may not possess the others.
1. A being born in Arupyadhatu does not possess the organs of seeing, hearing, smelling, or taste. A being in Kamadhatu does not possess these organs when he has not yet acquired them (beginning of embryonic life) or when he has lost them (through blindness, etc. , or through gradual death).
2. A being born in Arupyadhatu does not posses the organ of touch.
3. A being born in Arupyadhatu or Rupadhatu does not possess the female organ.
A being born in Kamadhatu cannot possess it when he had not acquired it or when he has lost it. The same for the male organ.
On the other hand, the vttaraga, the person detached from
4. A Prthagjana
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or in the Arupyas, does not possess the organ of pleasure.
Dhyana,
5. A Prthagjana born in the Fourth Dhyana, in the Third Dhyana,
or in the Arupyas, does not possess the organ of satisfaction.
6. A being born in Rupadhatu or in Arupyadhatu does not possess
the organ of displeasure.
7. A detached person does not possess the organ of dissatisfaction. 8. A person who has cut off the roots of good (iv. 79) does not
possess the five moral faculties, faith, etc.
9. Neither a Prthagjana nor a Saint in possession of a result
possesses anajndtamdjnasyamindriya,
10. The Prthagjana, the Saint who is in the Path of the Seeing the
Truths (vi. 31a-b) and the Arhat do not possess ajnendriya.
11. The Prthagjana and the Saiksas do not possess djnatavtndriya. This enumeration permits us to establish those indriyas possessed
by those categories of non-specified beings.
18a. He who possesses the organ of pleasure or the organ of touch certainly possesses four organs.
He who possesses the organ of pleasure also possesses the vital organ, the mental organ, and the organ of equanimity. He who possesses the organ of touch does possesses these same three indriyas.
18b. He who possesses one of the organs of sense conscious- ness necessarily possesses five organs.
He who possesses the organ of sight also possesses the vital organ, the mental organ, the organ of indifference and the organ of touch.
The same for him who possesses the organ of hearing, etc.
18c. The same for him who possesses the organ of satisfaction.
He who possesses the organ of satisfaction also possesses the vital organ, the mental organ, the organ of equanimity and the organ of pleasure.
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But, one would ask,
possess who is born in the heaven of the Second Dhyana and who does not therein cultivate the absorption of the Third Dhyana?
what sort of organ of pleasure can a being
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He possesses the organ of defiled pleasure of the Third Dhyana.
18. H e who possesses the organ of displeasure certainly possesses seven organs.
This being evidently belongs to Kamadhatu since he possesses the organ of displeasure. He necessarily possesses the vital organ, the mental organ, the organ of touch and four organs of sensation: the organ of dissatisfaction is not in him when he is detached
18d-19a. Whoever possesses the female organ, etc. , necessarily
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One should understand: Whoever possesses the female organ, or the male organ, or the organ of dissatisfaction, or one of the moral faculties,--faith, force, memory, absorption, and discernment.
He who possesses a sexual organ necessarily possesses, in addition to this organ, seven organs, which have been specified in 18c-d, for this being evidently belongs to Kamadhatu.
He who possesses the organ of dissatisfaction necessarily pos- sesses, in addition to this organ, these same seven organs.
He who possesses one of the moral faculties can be born in any of the three spheres of existence; he necessarily possesses the five moral faculties, which are seen together, plus the vital organ, the mental organ, and the organ of indifference.
19b. He who possesses ajnendriya or ajnatavtndriya necessarily possesses eleven organs.
These are the vital organ, the mental organ, the organs of pleasure,
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satisfaction, and equanimity; the five moral faculties; and the
eleventh, which is either ajnendriya or ajnatavtndriya.
19c. He who possesses ajnasyamtndriya necessarily possesses
thirteen organs.
In fact, it is only in Kamadhatu that one cultivates the Path of Seeing the Truths (vi. 55). Thus the possessor of this indriya is a being in Kamadhatu. He necessarily possesses the vital organ, the mental
possesses eight organs.
? organ, the organ of touch, the four organs of sensation, the five moral
faculties and djndsyamindriya. He does not necessarily possess the
organ of dissatisfaction, nor the organs of sight, etc. ; in fact, he can be
"detached," in which case dissatisfaction is not in him; he can be blind,
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What is the smallest number of organs it is possible for a being to possess? (Vibhdsd TD 27, p. 767b5-ll).
20a-b. A being who is lacking any good at all possesses a minimum of eight organs, the organ of touch, sensations, the vital organ, and the mental organ.
A being who is lacking good is one who has cut off the roots of good. He necessarily belongs to Kamadhatu (iv. 79); he cannot be "detached. " Thus he necessarily possesses the organs enumerated.
"Sensation" in the Karika is vid. That is, "one who feels" (vedayate) by understanding kartari kvip\ or "sensation" (vedand) (bhdvasddhana: aunddikah kvip).
20c. It is the same with an ignorant person who is born in Arupyadhatu;
The Prthagjana is termed ignorant (because he has not seen the Truths).
20d. He possesses eight organs, namely, equanimity, life, the mental organ, and the good organs.
The good organs are the moral faculties, faith, etc Since it is a question of an ignorant person, and since the total is eight, the pure organs (djndsydmi, etc. ) are not alluded to here by the author.
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possess?
21a-b. At the maximum, nineteen: [a bisexual being,] with the exception of the immaculate organs.
A bisexual being necessarily belongs to Kamadhatu. He is not "detached;" he can possess the moral faculties; and he can possess all the organs of sense consciousness. But he is a Prthagjana: thus he necessarily lacks the pure organs (djndsydmi, etc. ).
The pure organs are termed "immaculate" in the Karika. The djndsydmi, the djnd and the djndtdvin are pure because they are not in relation with the vices either in the quality of an object, or through association (v. 17).
21c. The Aryan, not detached, can possess all the organs,
The Aryan who is not detached, and hence a Saiksa and not an Arhat, possesses at most nineteen organs.
2 Id. With the exception of a sexual organ and two pure organs.
One must exclude either the male organ, or the female organ; one
must exclude the djndtavindriya in all cases; furthermore, one must
exclude the djnendriya when the Saiksa is in the path of Seeing the
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[ii. Atoms or paramanus. ']
The conditioned dharmas (i. 7a) are, as we have seen, of different natures--physical matter, sensation, ideas, etc. One asks if, in the same way, they arise independently one from another; or rather if, in certain cases, they necessarily arise together.
Certain conditioned dharmas are divided into five categories: rupa or physical matter; citta or the mind; caittas, mental states or dharmas associated with the mind (ii. 23-34); cittaviprayuktas, i. e. , samskdras not
Absorption in the Truths.
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We shall first study the simultaneous arising of the material
dharmas:
22. In Kamadhatu, an atom into which there is no entry of
sound, and into which there is no entry of any organ, is made
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By paramanu, we do not understand here a paramanu in its proper sense, a dravyaparamanu, an atom or monad which is a thing, a substance {dravya, i. 13), but a samghataparamdnu, a molecule, i. e. , the most subtle among the aggregates of matter, for there is nothing,
95 among the aggregates of matter, which is more subtle.
1. In Kamadhatu, the molecule into which sound does not enter, and into which no organ enters, is made up of eight substances, but of no less than eight: namely the four primary elements (mahabhutas, i. l2c), and the four derived elements,--visibles (rupa, i. lOa), odors, tastes, and tangibles (ii. 50c-d; 65a-b).
22b. When the organ of touch enters into it, it is made up of nine substances;
2. The molecule into which sound does not enter, but into which 96
the organ of touch enters, admits of a ninth substance, the dravya which is the organ of touch.
22c. When any other organ enters into it, it is made up of ten
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3. The molecule into which sound does not enter, but into which all other organs other than the organ of touch (the organ of sight, caksurindriya, etc. ) enter, consists of a tenth substance, the dravya that is this other organ (organ of sight, etc. ): for the organs of seeing, hearing, etc. do not exist independently of the organ of touch nor do they constitute distinct ayatanas.
4. When sound enters into the aforementioned aggregates, the
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total rises to nine, ten, or eleven substances: in fact, sound which is
(updtta, i. lOb) does not exist independently of the organs.
5. If the four primary elements, earth element, etc. , are never disassociated, but coexist in every aggregate or molecule, how is it that, in any given aggregate, one perceives either solidity, or viscosity, or heat, or movement, and not these four substances or characteristics at
one given time?
One perceives in any given aggregate those substances (dravya,
earth element, etc. ) that are most active in it, and not the others. In the same way, when one touches a pile of pieces of plants and needles," one perceives the needles; when one eats some salted soup, one perceives the taste of salt.
How does one know that a given aggregate consists of the primary elements when their presence in it is not perceived?
All of the primary elements manifest their presence through their own actions, namely support (dhrti), cohesion (samgraha), maturing
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(pakti), and expansion (vyilhand) (i. l2c).
According to another opinion, that of the Bhadanta Srflabha, the
aggregates are made up of the four primary elements, since, given the
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action of certain causes, solid things become liquid, etc.
element exists in water, since this latter is more or less cold, a fact which is explained by the presence of the element of fire in a more or less great quantity.
But, we would say, whether cold is more or less active does not imply that there has been a mixture of a certain substance (dravya), the cold, with its opposite, heat. So too sound and sensation, even though homogeneous, vary in intensity.
According to another opinion, [that of the Sautrantikas,] the
primary elements which are not perceived in a given aggregate exist in
the state of potentiality, and not in action, and not in and of
themselves. Thus the Blessed One was able to say (Samyuktagama, TD
2, p. , 129a3), "There are many dhatus or mineral substances in this 102
piece of wood. " The Blessed One meant that this piece of wood contained the seeds, the potentialities of many dhatus; for gold, silver,
The fire
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[The Sautrantikas again object;] How does one prove the presence
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of color in wind?
[The Vaibhasikas answer:] This is an object of faith (sraddhaniya),
and not of reasoning (anumeya). Or rather physical matter exists in the wind, since one perceives smell by reason of the contact of the wind with an object possessing an odor; now odor is never disassoci-
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ated from physical matter.
6. We know that odor and taste are missing in Rupadhatu (i. 30);
one must then reduce the number of molecules in Rupadhatu. We will have six, seven, or eight substances, and when sound intervenes, seven, eight, or nine. We shall not explain this in detail.
7. (Objection. The Vaibhasikas say that molecules in Kamadhatu
consist of, at a minimum, eight dravyas, eight things or substances. )
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have their own characteristics, or as ayatanas that one can term dravyas, substances, since they each possess distinctive general
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In the first hypothesis the numbers proposed are too few. A molecule, you say, consists of four "derived elements," rupa first: it will consist of, we would say, not only of the rupa of color (varna, blue or red dravya, etc) but also of the rupa of figure (samsthdna, i. 10, iv. 3c), since many atoms are agglomerated in these. It consists of the "derived matter" called "tangible:" it will be, we should say, heavy or light, hard or soft; it could be cold or hunger, or thirst; it then consists of the dravyas that are either heaviness or lightness, softness or hardness, cold, hunger and thirst (i. lOd). Hence the numbers proposed above are too few. But if, on the contrary, the Vaibhasikas mean to speak of dravyas as ayatanas, then the numbers are still too few, for the primary elements form part of the dyatana "tangible" (i. 35a); one should then say that a molecule consists of four substances, visible, odor, taste, and touch.
[The Vaibhasikas answer. ] Our definition of a molecule is the best one. The word dravya is to be understood, in this case, as substances properly so-called, and as ayatanas. Among the eight dravyas of a
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molecule, there are 1. ) four substances properly so-called, the four primary elements, the supports and sources of derived matter; and 2. ) four dyatanas, four types of derived matter, supported by the primary elements: visibles, odors, tastes and tangibles (abstractions created from the primary elements, and included within tangibles).
This answer is not good, for each of these four derived elements is
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consist of twenty dravyas.
No, [answer the Vaibhasikas,] for we are speaking of the nature of
the primary elements, solidity, etc. The nature of all four of the primary elements remains the same, in that they support the derived element of odor or the derived elements of visibles, tastes, and tangibles.
But why do you express yourself in an ambiguous manner and use the word dravya in two different meanings? Words are subject to caprice, but one must examine their meaning.
[iii. The mental states or caittas. ]
23a. The mind and its mental states are necessarily generated
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together.
The mind and its mental states cannot be independently generated.
23d. All things are necessarily generated with their characteristics.
All conditioned dharmas, physical matter, the mind (ii. 34), its mental states, and the sarhskdras disassociated from the mind (ii. 35), are necessarily generated with their samskrtalaksanas--arising, dura- tion, old age, and impermanence (ii. 46a).
23c. Sometimes with possession.
Among the conditioned dharmas, those that are integral to living beings (sattvdkhya, i. 10) are necessarily generated with the prdpti relative to each one of them (ii. 37b). There is no prdpti for the others. That is why the Karika says "sometimes. "
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What are the mental states?