(as on the scroll in your room), it is to be
considered
as the correct form.
Ezra-Pounds-Chinese-Friends-Stories-in-Letters
appears in Canto 85/563, 573 and Canto 87/591, 596.
31 EP to Fang (TL-2; Beinecke)
[St Elizabeths Hospital] [Washington, DC] [18 January 1951]
Hnbl FANG
two rolls Chou Change [Book of Changes] arrived S. Liz/4 other presumable
rolls of something also recd/ at Tenth Place [DP's apartment]. Enjoyable sight. regret
inform
hnbl F/ that some goddam worm has been at respected pages. Problem? shd/ one (i. e. Ez) attempt to treat worst worm-holes with crass occidental stickum
as per sample
or wd/ it do more harm than good. and shd/one trust sd/goddam worms now deceased and not likely to gnaw while Ez peruses or after shake-up?
Evidently overlooked commas in your letter and thought change--odes some other text. No harm done save ''disturbo'' to Fang, and pleasant to read from nicely printed text.
at least recognize a few terms without having crib on next page.
Iggurunt man wanting to know what ELSE one shd/ read after material that Legge has already trapsed through? Fg/ realize the very fragmentary state of Ez' formation,
Not read ANY guide or history of Chinese literature since closed Giles history Ch/ Lit/ about 1909. Had Fenollosa's notes and selections and thaZZZall.
AND take it Bhud and Taoists bamboogroving ad lib/ thru a good deal of it? ?
Of course there is enough in the 4 BOOKS and the Odes to occupy any normal male for a life time,
but frailties of idle curiosity assail from time to time.
Will certainly READ the Chinese MORE and see MORE in this edtn/ than in the Shanghai bilingual.
Enjoying the simpatico but not infallible Stilwell. Too bad he knew nothing of Europe, and, as you say, ? [humanity].
54 a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius
Later: yes, yes, very Wne. Will try to work Sun Li-jen in somehow. If the ass of a pub[lishe]r/ wd. put a SCALE (miles, parsangs or whatever, on his MAP! ! ! )
p. 292/translation? unconscious? have I got to look up that ideogram with a DAWG in it? ?
incidentally our damn SWEEDE dont seem to diVerentiate ? &? ad interim/ and strictly anonYmouse.
Mr (Sumner? ) Wells Williams dont like that one either.
verry good INK used on that Y Ching [Book of Changes].
Giles history: Herbert A. Giles (1845-1935), A History of Chinese Literature (New York: Appleton, 1901). Fenollosa's notes: see Glossary on Fenollosa, Ernest.
Shanghai bilingual: Z. D. Sung, The Symbols of Yi King (1934).
Sun Li-jen: in The Stilwell Papers Sun Liren is referred to as Stilwell's favorite Chinese army
commander.
? : in Analytic Dictionary (1923) Bernhard Karlgren deWnes ? huo (#120) as ''catch, seize, obtain. ''
? surfaces in Canto 85/567. Wells Williams: see Letter 28 n.
32 EP to Fang (TL-1; Beinecke)
[St Elizabeths Hospital] [Washington, DC] [5 February 1951]
Hnbl/ FANG
strictly anonymous communication.
What could save inWnite time and labour fer pore mutts trying to learn a little
chinese, esp/ SOUND. would be (without waiting to make perfect word-book) to print RADICAL index, now pages 1179/80 of Mathews, as pages 1180 and 1181, THAT IS so that one could see them ALL without turning the page every time one wants one on the other side as at present.
AND <pages 1181-1221> print with the sounds and tone numbers. enough space could be made by omitting heading and the ''colloquial designations. '' p 1180 plenty of meanings I know, but have to look up the sound to understand
metric in 1000 family/
Mathews is certainly VERY good on groups.
as ref/ ''balanced expression 7 word''
''meet the moon coming oV '', all verbs theatre words.
Spose if weren't so goddamlaZy I cd/ Wnd out when etc/ the 1000 might also investigate obstacles to PRINTING above item.
Mathews: R. H. Mathews, Mathews' Chinese-English Dictionary (Shanghai: China Inland Mission and Presbyterian Mission Press, 1931; rpt. Cambridge, Mass. : Harvard University Press, 1944).
1000 family: Tang Song qian jia shi (Poems by a Thousand Tang and Song Poets). In 1951 Fang sent EP a set in four volumes.
a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius 55
33 Fang to EP (TLS-1; Lilly)
Dear Mr Pound,
On February 16, Friday (9-9:30 P. M. ), Ass. Prof. Richard Ellmann (quite a nice
chap) and A. F. are to talk 'unrehearsed and live,' over the Harvard Yard radio (which cannot be heard beyond Harvard dormitories). Subject: Ezra Pound's Cantos. I am expected to elucidate, if I can, your Confucianism.
Have you any special message that I may quote in the course of my talk? Your greetings to the Kremlin, 'tell them to read cantos' (as the author of Eimi reports), is hardly necessary. I think your cantos are being read at Harvard; how intelligently, that is another question, of course.
If a public message is not to your liking, will you at least give me some strictly private suggestions?
Yours respectfully [signed] Achilles Fang
P. S. : Yesterday I mailed you the Jack Belden book.
Richard Ellmann: Richard Ellmann (1918-87) would join Northwestern (fall 1951), Yale (1968), and Oxford (1970).
Jack Belden book: China Shakes the World (1949).
34 EP to Fang (TL-1; Beinecke)
[St Elizabeths Hospital] [Washington, DC] [10 February 1951]
O FANG
in ignorance of wot't'ell the Achilles is doing re/ alledged dictionary/ and of
position of 1000 family selection.
Does the sd/ Achilles want stray observations?
per es/ re diVerence between one dawg and another, i. e. the shaggy dawg and
the friend of man? or in SEVEN WORD no. 45/ the vurry nice contrast of chih and szu/ ?
backed by position of chih as derived or putt in arrow [? ] category not mouth [? ] category rad[ical]/
no Wnd in dic/ ? signiWcance clear but noise in doubt.
[Cambridge, Mass. ] Feb 10, 1951
56 a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius
1000 family selection: see Letter 32 n.
SEVEN WORD no. 45: see Letter 32 on ''balanced expression 7 word'' in Mathews' English-Chinese
Dictionary.
? : see Letter 36.
35 EP to Fang (TL-1; Beinecke)
[St Elizabeths Hospital] [Washington, DC] [13 February 1951]
FANG
can be NO direct message from bug-house. EVERYthing useful can be clearly
derived from published works.
1. all answers are in the FOUR BOOKS, i. e. all answers re/ conduct. E. P.
translating and publishing Confucius in italian/ E. P. 's DIFFERENCES from Fascist theory and practice, PUBLICATION of same permitted in Italy. in brief: J. Adams and the U. S. A. Constitution.
Leahy (Admiral) ''I was there''/showing Petain wanted: something between U. S. Constitution and Mussolini's Wrst proposals.
Can Fang indicate new Bill of Rights pubd/ in England, as program? perhaps not in this talk but as topic of future curiosity.
Note appalling IGNORANCE, foetid in Hull and Leahy, but present also in Mme de Chambrun AND Stilwell, the latter Wne value, BUT unaware of Europe, balance of power in Europe, European history also moral fury vs/C[hiang]. K. Chek, who under no obligation to prefer excessive Russia to a victorious Germany. Naturally no sympathy with Charlie [T. V. ] Sung and his gang.
Gentle curiosity re/ LATER developments of Gesellism, cd/ be touched LIGHTLY, more in nature of enquiry as to what Mr P/ believes.
Write Rev. Henry Swabey, Lindsell Vicarage, Chelmsford, Essex, England, for proposed Bill of Rights/ useful subject for some stewed-dent's thesis re/''on which he leans. '' Hnbl/ Fang not LEAN on ANY asst/ profs.
the FOUR BOOKS: the four quintessential Confucian books Da xue, Zhong yong, Lun yu, and Mencius. See Glossary on Confucius. See also Letter 22 n.
Leahy: Admiral William Daniel Leahy (1875-1959) was President Roosevelt's chief of staV (1942-5). Petain: Philippe Pe ? tain (1856-1951), premier of the Vichy government, was tried and convicted
in 1945.
Hull: Cordell Hull (1871-1955) was US Secretary of State from 1933 to 1944.
Mme de Chambrun: Jose ? Laval, daughter of French head of state Pierre Laval (1883-1945), married
Rene ? de Chambrun in 1935.
Charlie Sung: T. V. Soong (1894-1971), Chiang Kai-shek's brother-in-law, was his Wnance minister
from 1928 to 1933 and foreign minister from 1942 to 1945.
Gesellism: the monetary theories of the German businessman and economist Silvio Gesell
(1862-1930).
Henry Swabey: see Glossary on Swabey, Reverend Henry.
a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius 57
36 Fang to EP (TL-2; Beinecke)
[Cambridge, Mass. ]
[February 1951]
RE ? , mu4.
---------
This ideogram is a mistaken vulgar variation of ? , which is [not] pro-
nounced mo4 (in the sense of ''do not'', like i`? ) but mu4 (in the sense of ''evening'' or ''late'' as in The Analects XI xxv, 7, p. 112 ? ). The K'ang-hsi dictionary (i. e. the dictionary compiled under the auspice of that emperor) and all later dictionaries list ? under ? and ? under ? .
---------- As for ? ,
The oracle-bone inscriptions of the Yin (Shang) dynasty write it both as ? (the sun among four grasses) and as ? (among four trees).
In bronze inscriptions of the Chou dynasty, the second form (four grasses) alone is found.
The Wrst etymological dictionary Shuo-wen chieh-tzu ? ? ? ? of Hsu ? Shen ? ? (second century A. D. ; exact date not known) does not list ? ; instead it gives ? , under Radical ? . (This dictionary employs 540 Radicals. )
The dictionary Yu ? -p'ien ? ? of Ku Yeh-wang ? ? ? (519-581) records ? under Radical 542 ? . (This dictionary uses 542 Radicals. )
------------
Whether ? was originally written ? or ?
(as on the scroll in your room), it is to be considered as the correct form. ? cannot but be considered as a mistaken variation.
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Hey Snag wots in the bibl'? wot are the books ov the bible?
Name 'em, don't bullshit ME.
? ? O? O^ E? O?
a man on whom the sun has gone down
. . . [Canto 74/450]
May one read ''ME'' as the pronunciation of ? <mo or mu>? ME at the same time reminds one of i`? , which in turn makes one think of i? y? . And ? O? O^E? O? , ''Odessey'', ! ''a man on whom the sun has gone down''. Of course, the lower part of ? should represent neither ? [big] nor ? (man) but two grasses (? ); but does that matter? ? ? ? non mihi [nothing].
Written two weeks or so ago, but got lost all this while among the pile of Poundiana on my desk.
? ? ? ? ? ? 58 a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius
Shuo-wen chieh-tzu: see Glossary on Xu Shen.
scroll in your room: a scroll of calligraphy by the etymologist Shen Jianshi, a gift from Achilles Fang.
37 EP to Fang (TL-4; Beinecke)
[St Elizabeths Hospital] [Washington, DC] [March 1951]
what has the hnbl/FANG to say to thick-headed occidental re/ the chinkese langwidG OR ideogram which is fer somethings the most precise and, in fact, only satisfactory medium for making certain statements, and IS in others the most damblasted and DAMbiguous modus loquendi, wot yu cant bust open with a meat AX? ?
[? ] man
[? ] mist
[? ] cold < not example of ambiguity/>
[? ] orange
[? ] pumelo/
mean the blighter's face is all scrunched up like a[n] orange? ? or wot the HELL? ? Further fantasies fer child's guide to quick-chink:
numbers from yr/ beelUvvid' Mathews'.
[? ] she, 5699/shed
[? ] kan as in CANdy and sugar CANE
[? ] 2095/ hen, as in french haine.
[? ] lo, 4122/low, and LOC as in location.
[? ] su 5509/SUper
Lan 3807, as in LANiard [? ]
[? ] fou, 1906, as in frog/fou
[? ] li, 3864, LIning (here only to the eye, not to ear)
I suppose that indistinguishable left-component, plus 3 mouths signiWes Gavin
Douglas' ''blaisterand bubb''/ but still cant Wnd which rad[ical]/ it is used for. [? ] lin perfectly easy once one had the [? ] ch'en rad/
thought I HAD tried it, anyhow, but eye very untrained and no nack for
running up and down columns.
VERY stupid of me not to see the sun under the grass/ but had Wnally done
so. [? ] **
the melopoeia, or part that matters TO ME, seems to resist all vagaries of dialect. **
now this pumelo? can the id/ refer to familiar tree (i. e. fam/ in Rapallo) the
uncultivated orange, looks like an orange, but no taste and inedible (or at least until famine times. )
a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius 59
could that line mean: hearths cold, oranges reverted
i. e. to wild and useless state, from lack of care? probably the yu [? ] cannot mean mock-orange/ and this probably useless barbarian conjectured. a one-eyed wind with three mouths, three whoofs, blowing 3 ways makes more (//more mare's nests). Will remember that blooming ''lin'' [? ] from now on.
Cdn't be expected to know Sieh [? ] was proper name (as hadn't looked at commentary)
2630 [? ], a, b, c, d, wot a twister
any more data re Belden himself ?
Belden might be improved? ? ? question.
He is O. K. in loathing the Dewey, Luce, Fortune swine, BUT only objects to
smear when aimed at pinks and commies. He is illiterate re/K'ung. Obviously Chiang K-S did NOT (p 425) practice the Confucian doctrine of ANYthing.
doubt if B[elden]/ ever read the text of K'ung even in Legge. also a bit of know-it-all when he generalizes, but good re/ what he has seen. Also still dodges fact that Roose was Roose. less competent than Chiang? and wd/hv/ made worse mess in C[hiang]'s circumstances. A swine of the smeariest.
Erigena is sd/ to hv sd/ ''authority comes from right reason'' have never spotted the chapter and verse where he says it, but had v. limited time for the search.
the Ta S'eu (or HIO, or whatever trans/lit/approx you use) knocks the tar out of almost every assumption B/ makes re K'ung, tho doubtless he is accurate enough re/ what Chiang or the mutts pretended was Confucian.
Bunting is howling for a bilingual oriental series (all oriental langs/) like the Loeb greek, latin. Might be tea time subject of talk with Harvard weaklings? ? ? ? A. F. ever glance at Erigena or Avicenna? just to see that there have been nice
minds outside the Middle Kingdom. But only one K/
Did I say Santayana half admitted: ''no philosophy, only philo-epistemology
since,'' I forget when, possibly Leibnitz, possibly Ocellus. I think I drew him by saying: since Ocellus: Sin, jih, jih sin [Day by day make it new].
Kindergarten mnemonics for sound. Do I know the sound of 60 id[eogram]s/? ? Further mnemonic triXes/
shu1 [? ] 5851/kill, very
as we say ''dead right, dead certain''
***
re FOUR grasses, trees, etc/ I repeat: the reorganization from 500 down to 214 radicals was one of [the] greatest intellectual acts of all time. Lacking in english (so far as I know) a clear and adequate report on what actually happened/ did it need 1000 scholars or 40 or six?
Cannot rule out a priori the possibility that they did not simply DERIVE, but that they made new combinations of abbreviated root-pictograms with new connotations.
Sin jih jih sin
? 60 a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius
A. F. rad[ical]/ card gives rad/ 136 [? ], as confuse.
is there any speciWc known evidence that rules out idea of ''opposites'' i. e. waxing and waning moon
Some review OUGHT to print an A. F. account of the reorganization DOWN to 214 unless it wd/ interrupt A. F. 's more pressing commitments.
E. hasn't SEEN any hist/chin/lit/ since he read Giles in some internat/lit/ series, over 40 years ago. Do not recall that he (G/) had given a thought ''entertained a thought'' (Mat. yu ? 7622, 3 [? ? ]) to the amount of thought needed to reorganize the rad/ system.
***Also lot of fuss re,/ exact rhyme/ whereas inexact syzogy, SHADINGS of sound, one of most useful devices for melody, not only shifts of do, re, mi etc/ but also of fengs, fangs, Wns, fons, etc. no reason to suppose we waited fer Bill Yeats to start use of it.
**
already noted (? ) lo [? ] as in low, lower//
spanish ll, Xuids, etc. one of [the] most common associations in numerous
languages.
[? ] man. . . [? ] pumelo: a line from ''On the Northern Tower'' (? ? ? ? ) by Xie Tiao ? ? (464-99). In a letter to EP of 2 March 1951 (Lilly) Fang copied out the poem with a sound key illustrating its rhyme scheme and tonal arrangement.
Gavin Douglas: Gavin Douglas (1474-1522), Scottish translator of Virgil's Aeneid.
Dewey: Jack Belden holds that Republican presidential candidate Thomas Dewey (1902-71) and Time-Life-Fortune publisher Henry Luce (1898-1967) endorsed Chiang because of shared anti-
Communist sentiment.
Belden . . . (p 425): Belden refers to Chiang as a dictator.
Bunting: the British poet and translator Basil Bunting (1900-85) Wrst met EP in Paris c. 1923.
the Loeb greek, latin: a series of Greek and Roman classics with translations published in England by
Heinemann and in America Wrst by Macmillan and then by Harvard University Press.
Erigena: the Irish-born theologian John Scotus Erigena (c. 815-c. 877) is listed in Cantos 74, 83, and 87. Avicenna: Ibn S ? ? na ? (c. 980-1037), Persian author of nearly 240 books. EP owned a copy of his
Metaphysics Compendium (1926).
Santayana: see Glossary on Santayana, George.
Leibnitz: EP writes about the German philosopher Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz (1646-1716) in Guide
to Kulchur (1938; New York: New Directions, 1970), 74 as follows: ''After Leibniz, the precedent
kind of thought ceased to lead men. ''
Ocellus: the Pythagorean philosopher Ocellus (5th century bc) is listed in Cantos 87 and 107.
38 Fang to EP (TLS-3; Lilly)
[Cambridge, Mass. ] 3/14 [1951]
Dear Mr Pound,
The rad/card was not made by A. F. ; it was done some years ago, when A. F. was
still in Peking, by the ignoramuses here for the confusion of poor students. Of course,
? a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius 61
rad/ 136 [? ] does not mean ''confuse. '' The cardinal meaning of that ideogram might be found in the last entry under that ideogram in Mathews: DISCREP- ANCY, from which ideas like ''opposing, perverse, disobedient, error, disorder, confusion, contradictory'' can be derived. Anciently the id/ was written ?
Now, Hsu ? [Xu] Shen thinks the pictogram stands for two persons lying back against back ? ?
31 EP to Fang (TL-2; Beinecke)
[St Elizabeths Hospital] [Washington, DC] [18 January 1951]
Hnbl FANG
two rolls Chou Change [Book of Changes] arrived S. Liz/4 other presumable
rolls of something also recd/ at Tenth Place [DP's apartment]. Enjoyable sight. regret
inform
hnbl F/ that some goddam worm has been at respected pages. Problem? shd/ one (i. e. Ez) attempt to treat worst worm-holes with crass occidental stickum
as per sample
or wd/ it do more harm than good. and shd/one trust sd/goddam worms now deceased and not likely to gnaw while Ez peruses or after shake-up?
Evidently overlooked commas in your letter and thought change--odes some other text. No harm done save ''disturbo'' to Fang, and pleasant to read from nicely printed text.
at least recognize a few terms without having crib on next page.
Iggurunt man wanting to know what ELSE one shd/ read after material that Legge has already trapsed through? Fg/ realize the very fragmentary state of Ez' formation,
Not read ANY guide or history of Chinese literature since closed Giles history Ch/ Lit/ about 1909. Had Fenollosa's notes and selections and thaZZZall.
AND take it Bhud and Taoists bamboogroving ad lib/ thru a good deal of it? ?
Of course there is enough in the 4 BOOKS and the Odes to occupy any normal male for a life time,
but frailties of idle curiosity assail from time to time.
Will certainly READ the Chinese MORE and see MORE in this edtn/ than in the Shanghai bilingual.
Enjoying the simpatico but not infallible Stilwell. Too bad he knew nothing of Europe, and, as you say, ? [humanity].
54 a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius
Later: yes, yes, very Wne. Will try to work Sun Li-jen in somehow. If the ass of a pub[lishe]r/ wd. put a SCALE (miles, parsangs or whatever, on his MAP! ! ! )
p. 292/translation? unconscious? have I got to look up that ideogram with a DAWG in it? ?
incidentally our damn SWEEDE dont seem to diVerentiate ? &? ad interim/ and strictly anonYmouse.
Mr (Sumner? ) Wells Williams dont like that one either.
verry good INK used on that Y Ching [Book of Changes].
Giles history: Herbert A. Giles (1845-1935), A History of Chinese Literature (New York: Appleton, 1901). Fenollosa's notes: see Glossary on Fenollosa, Ernest.
Shanghai bilingual: Z. D. Sung, The Symbols of Yi King (1934).
Sun Li-jen: in The Stilwell Papers Sun Liren is referred to as Stilwell's favorite Chinese army
commander.
? : in Analytic Dictionary (1923) Bernhard Karlgren deWnes ? huo (#120) as ''catch, seize, obtain. ''
? surfaces in Canto 85/567. Wells Williams: see Letter 28 n.
32 EP to Fang (TL-1; Beinecke)
[St Elizabeths Hospital] [Washington, DC] [5 February 1951]
Hnbl/ FANG
strictly anonymous communication.
What could save inWnite time and labour fer pore mutts trying to learn a little
chinese, esp/ SOUND. would be (without waiting to make perfect word-book) to print RADICAL index, now pages 1179/80 of Mathews, as pages 1180 and 1181, THAT IS so that one could see them ALL without turning the page every time one wants one on the other side as at present.
AND <pages 1181-1221> print with the sounds and tone numbers. enough space could be made by omitting heading and the ''colloquial designations. '' p 1180 plenty of meanings I know, but have to look up the sound to understand
metric in 1000 family/
Mathews is certainly VERY good on groups.
as ref/ ''balanced expression 7 word''
''meet the moon coming oV '', all verbs theatre words.
Spose if weren't so goddamlaZy I cd/ Wnd out when etc/ the 1000 might also investigate obstacles to PRINTING above item.
Mathews: R. H. Mathews, Mathews' Chinese-English Dictionary (Shanghai: China Inland Mission and Presbyterian Mission Press, 1931; rpt. Cambridge, Mass. : Harvard University Press, 1944).
1000 family: Tang Song qian jia shi (Poems by a Thousand Tang and Song Poets). In 1951 Fang sent EP a set in four volumes.
a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius 55
33 Fang to EP (TLS-1; Lilly)
Dear Mr Pound,
On February 16, Friday (9-9:30 P. M. ), Ass. Prof. Richard Ellmann (quite a nice
chap) and A. F. are to talk 'unrehearsed and live,' over the Harvard Yard radio (which cannot be heard beyond Harvard dormitories). Subject: Ezra Pound's Cantos. I am expected to elucidate, if I can, your Confucianism.
Have you any special message that I may quote in the course of my talk? Your greetings to the Kremlin, 'tell them to read cantos' (as the author of Eimi reports), is hardly necessary. I think your cantos are being read at Harvard; how intelligently, that is another question, of course.
If a public message is not to your liking, will you at least give me some strictly private suggestions?
Yours respectfully [signed] Achilles Fang
P. S. : Yesterday I mailed you the Jack Belden book.
Richard Ellmann: Richard Ellmann (1918-87) would join Northwestern (fall 1951), Yale (1968), and Oxford (1970).
Jack Belden book: China Shakes the World (1949).
34 EP to Fang (TL-1; Beinecke)
[St Elizabeths Hospital] [Washington, DC] [10 February 1951]
O FANG
in ignorance of wot't'ell the Achilles is doing re/ alledged dictionary/ and of
position of 1000 family selection.
Does the sd/ Achilles want stray observations?
per es/ re diVerence between one dawg and another, i. e. the shaggy dawg and
the friend of man? or in SEVEN WORD no. 45/ the vurry nice contrast of chih and szu/ ?
backed by position of chih as derived or putt in arrow [? ] category not mouth [? ] category rad[ical]/
no Wnd in dic/ ? signiWcance clear but noise in doubt.
[Cambridge, Mass. ] Feb 10, 1951
56 a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius
1000 family selection: see Letter 32 n.
SEVEN WORD no. 45: see Letter 32 on ''balanced expression 7 word'' in Mathews' English-Chinese
Dictionary.
? : see Letter 36.
35 EP to Fang (TL-1; Beinecke)
[St Elizabeths Hospital] [Washington, DC] [13 February 1951]
FANG
can be NO direct message from bug-house. EVERYthing useful can be clearly
derived from published works.
1. all answers are in the FOUR BOOKS, i. e. all answers re/ conduct. E. P.
translating and publishing Confucius in italian/ E. P. 's DIFFERENCES from Fascist theory and practice, PUBLICATION of same permitted in Italy. in brief: J. Adams and the U. S. A. Constitution.
Leahy (Admiral) ''I was there''/showing Petain wanted: something between U. S. Constitution and Mussolini's Wrst proposals.
Can Fang indicate new Bill of Rights pubd/ in England, as program? perhaps not in this talk but as topic of future curiosity.
Note appalling IGNORANCE, foetid in Hull and Leahy, but present also in Mme de Chambrun AND Stilwell, the latter Wne value, BUT unaware of Europe, balance of power in Europe, European history also moral fury vs/C[hiang]. K. Chek, who under no obligation to prefer excessive Russia to a victorious Germany. Naturally no sympathy with Charlie [T. V. ] Sung and his gang.
Gentle curiosity re/ LATER developments of Gesellism, cd/ be touched LIGHTLY, more in nature of enquiry as to what Mr P/ believes.
Write Rev. Henry Swabey, Lindsell Vicarage, Chelmsford, Essex, England, for proposed Bill of Rights/ useful subject for some stewed-dent's thesis re/''on which he leans. '' Hnbl/ Fang not LEAN on ANY asst/ profs.
the FOUR BOOKS: the four quintessential Confucian books Da xue, Zhong yong, Lun yu, and Mencius. See Glossary on Confucius. See also Letter 22 n.
Leahy: Admiral William Daniel Leahy (1875-1959) was President Roosevelt's chief of staV (1942-5). Petain: Philippe Pe ? tain (1856-1951), premier of the Vichy government, was tried and convicted
in 1945.
Hull: Cordell Hull (1871-1955) was US Secretary of State from 1933 to 1944.
Mme de Chambrun: Jose ? Laval, daughter of French head of state Pierre Laval (1883-1945), married
Rene ? de Chambrun in 1935.
Charlie Sung: T. V. Soong (1894-1971), Chiang Kai-shek's brother-in-law, was his Wnance minister
from 1928 to 1933 and foreign minister from 1942 to 1945.
Gesellism: the monetary theories of the German businessman and economist Silvio Gesell
(1862-1930).
Henry Swabey: see Glossary on Swabey, Reverend Henry.
a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius 57
36 Fang to EP (TL-2; Beinecke)
[Cambridge, Mass. ]
[February 1951]
RE ? , mu4.
---------
This ideogram is a mistaken vulgar variation of ? , which is [not] pro-
nounced mo4 (in the sense of ''do not'', like i`? ) but mu4 (in the sense of ''evening'' or ''late'' as in The Analects XI xxv, 7, p. 112 ? ). The K'ang-hsi dictionary (i. e. the dictionary compiled under the auspice of that emperor) and all later dictionaries list ? under ? and ? under ? .
---------- As for ? ,
The oracle-bone inscriptions of the Yin (Shang) dynasty write it both as ? (the sun among four grasses) and as ? (among four trees).
In bronze inscriptions of the Chou dynasty, the second form (four grasses) alone is found.
The Wrst etymological dictionary Shuo-wen chieh-tzu ? ? ? ? of Hsu ? Shen ? ? (second century A. D. ; exact date not known) does not list ? ; instead it gives ? , under Radical ? . (This dictionary employs 540 Radicals. )
The dictionary Yu ? -p'ien ? ? of Ku Yeh-wang ? ? ? (519-581) records ? under Radical 542 ? . (This dictionary uses 542 Radicals. )
------------
Whether ? was originally written ? or ?
(as on the scroll in your room), it is to be considered as the correct form. ? cannot but be considered as a mistaken variation.
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Hey Snag wots in the bibl'? wot are the books ov the bible?
Name 'em, don't bullshit ME.
? ? O? O^ E? O?
a man on whom the sun has gone down
. . . [Canto 74/450]
May one read ''ME'' as the pronunciation of ? <mo or mu>? ME at the same time reminds one of i`? , which in turn makes one think of i? y? . And ? O? O^E? O? , ''Odessey'', ! ''a man on whom the sun has gone down''. Of course, the lower part of ? should represent neither ? [big] nor ? (man) but two grasses (? ); but does that matter? ? ? ? non mihi [nothing].
Written two weeks or so ago, but got lost all this while among the pile of Poundiana on my desk.
? ? ? ? ? ? 58 a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius
Shuo-wen chieh-tzu: see Glossary on Xu Shen.
scroll in your room: a scroll of calligraphy by the etymologist Shen Jianshi, a gift from Achilles Fang.
37 EP to Fang (TL-4; Beinecke)
[St Elizabeths Hospital] [Washington, DC] [March 1951]
what has the hnbl/FANG to say to thick-headed occidental re/ the chinkese langwidG OR ideogram which is fer somethings the most precise and, in fact, only satisfactory medium for making certain statements, and IS in others the most damblasted and DAMbiguous modus loquendi, wot yu cant bust open with a meat AX? ?
[? ] man
[? ] mist
[? ] cold < not example of ambiguity/>
[? ] orange
[? ] pumelo/
mean the blighter's face is all scrunched up like a[n] orange? ? or wot the HELL? ? Further fantasies fer child's guide to quick-chink:
numbers from yr/ beelUvvid' Mathews'.
[? ] she, 5699/shed
[? ] kan as in CANdy and sugar CANE
[? ] 2095/ hen, as in french haine.
[? ] lo, 4122/low, and LOC as in location.
[? ] su 5509/SUper
Lan 3807, as in LANiard [? ]
[? ] fou, 1906, as in frog/fou
[? ] li, 3864, LIning (here only to the eye, not to ear)
I suppose that indistinguishable left-component, plus 3 mouths signiWes Gavin
Douglas' ''blaisterand bubb''/ but still cant Wnd which rad[ical]/ it is used for. [? ] lin perfectly easy once one had the [? ] ch'en rad/
thought I HAD tried it, anyhow, but eye very untrained and no nack for
running up and down columns.
VERY stupid of me not to see the sun under the grass/ but had Wnally done
so. [? ] **
the melopoeia, or part that matters TO ME, seems to resist all vagaries of dialect. **
now this pumelo? can the id/ refer to familiar tree (i. e. fam/ in Rapallo) the
uncultivated orange, looks like an orange, but no taste and inedible (or at least until famine times. )
a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius 59
could that line mean: hearths cold, oranges reverted
i. e. to wild and useless state, from lack of care? probably the yu [? ] cannot mean mock-orange/ and this probably useless barbarian conjectured. a one-eyed wind with three mouths, three whoofs, blowing 3 ways makes more (//more mare's nests). Will remember that blooming ''lin'' [? ] from now on.
Cdn't be expected to know Sieh [? ] was proper name (as hadn't looked at commentary)
2630 [? ], a, b, c, d, wot a twister
any more data re Belden himself ?
Belden might be improved? ? ? question.
He is O. K. in loathing the Dewey, Luce, Fortune swine, BUT only objects to
smear when aimed at pinks and commies. He is illiterate re/K'ung. Obviously Chiang K-S did NOT (p 425) practice the Confucian doctrine of ANYthing.
doubt if B[elden]/ ever read the text of K'ung even in Legge. also a bit of know-it-all when he generalizes, but good re/ what he has seen. Also still dodges fact that Roose was Roose. less competent than Chiang? and wd/hv/ made worse mess in C[hiang]'s circumstances. A swine of the smeariest.
Erigena is sd/ to hv sd/ ''authority comes from right reason'' have never spotted the chapter and verse where he says it, but had v. limited time for the search.
the Ta S'eu (or HIO, or whatever trans/lit/approx you use) knocks the tar out of almost every assumption B/ makes re K'ung, tho doubtless he is accurate enough re/ what Chiang or the mutts pretended was Confucian.
Bunting is howling for a bilingual oriental series (all oriental langs/) like the Loeb greek, latin. Might be tea time subject of talk with Harvard weaklings? ? ? ? A. F. ever glance at Erigena or Avicenna? just to see that there have been nice
minds outside the Middle Kingdom. But only one K/
Did I say Santayana half admitted: ''no philosophy, only philo-epistemology
since,'' I forget when, possibly Leibnitz, possibly Ocellus. I think I drew him by saying: since Ocellus: Sin, jih, jih sin [Day by day make it new].
Kindergarten mnemonics for sound. Do I know the sound of 60 id[eogram]s/? ? Further mnemonic triXes/
shu1 [? ] 5851/kill, very
as we say ''dead right, dead certain''
***
re FOUR grasses, trees, etc/ I repeat: the reorganization from 500 down to 214 radicals was one of [the] greatest intellectual acts of all time. Lacking in english (so far as I know) a clear and adequate report on what actually happened/ did it need 1000 scholars or 40 or six?
Cannot rule out a priori the possibility that they did not simply DERIVE, but that they made new combinations of abbreviated root-pictograms with new connotations.
Sin jih jih sin
? 60 a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius
A. F. rad[ical]/ card gives rad/ 136 [? ], as confuse.
is there any speciWc known evidence that rules out idea of ''opposites'' i. e. waxing and waning moon
Some review OUGHT to print an A. F. account of the reorganization DOWN to 214 unless it wd/ interrupt A. F. 's more pressing commitments.
E. hasn't SEEN any hist/chin/lit/ since he read Giles in some internat/lit/ series, over 40 years ago. Do not recall that he (G/) had given a thought ''entertained a thought'' (Mat. yu ? 7622, 3 [? ? ]) to the amount of thought needed to reorganize the rad/ system.
***Also lot of fuss re,/ exact rhyme/ whereas inexact syzogy, SHADINGS of sound, one of most useful devices for melody, not only shifts of do, re, mi etc/ but also of fengs, fangs, Wns, fons, etc. no reason to suppose we waited fer Bill Yeats to start use of it.
**
already noted (? ) lo [? ] as in low, lower//
spanish ll, Xuids, etc. one of [the] most common associations in numerous
languages.
[? ] man. . . [? ] pumelo: a line from ''On the Northern Tower'' (? ? ? ? ) by Xie Tiao ? ? (464-99). In a letter to EP of 2 March 1951 (Lilly) Fang copied out the poem with a sound key illustrating its rhyme scheme and tonal arrangement.
Gavin Douglas: Gavin Douglas (1474-1522), Scottish translator of Virgil's Aeneid.
Dewey: Jack Belden holds that Republican presidential candidate Thomas Dewey (1902-71) and Time-Life-Fortune publisher Henry Luce (1898-1967) endorsed Chiang because of shared anti-
Communist sentiment.
Belden . . . (p 425): Belden refers to Chiang as a dictator.
Bunting: the British poet and translator Basil Bunting (1900-85) Wrst met EP in Paris c. 1923.
the Loeb greek, latin: a series of Greek and Roman classics with translations published in England by
Heinemann and in America Wrst by Macmillan and then by Harvard University Press.
Erigena: the Irish-born theologian John Scotus Erigena (c. 815-c. 877) is listed in Cantos 74, 83, and 87. Avicenna: Ibn S ? ? na ? (c. 980-1037), Persian author of nearly 240 books. EP owned a copy of his
Metaphysics Compendium (1926).
Santayana: see Glossary on Santayana, George.
Leibnitz: EP writes about the German philosopher Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz (1646-1716) in Guide
to Kulchur (1938; New York: New Directions, 1970), 74 as follows: ''After Leibniz, the precedent
kind of thought ceased to lead men. ''
Ocellus: the Pythagorean philosopher Ocellus (5th century bc) is listed in Cantos 87 and 107.
38 Fang to EP (TLS-3; Lilly)
[Cambridge, Mass. ] 3/14 [1951]
Dear Mr Pound,
The rad/card was not made by A. F. ; it was done some years ago, when A. F. was
still in Peking, by the ignoramuses here for the confusion of poor students. Of course,
? a. fang and pound's bilingual confucius 61
rad/ 136 [? ] does not mean ''confuse. '' The cardinal meaning of that ideogram might be found in the last entry under that ideogram in Mathews: DISCREP- ANCY, from which ideas like ''opposing, perverse, disobedient, error, disorder, confusion, contradictory'' can be derived. Anciently the id/ was written ?
Now, Hsu ? [Xu] Shen thinks the pictogram stands for two persons lying back against back ? ?
